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 Post subject: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:29 pm 
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Occupy Related...don't let this happen to the occupy protests...know your protest buddies.

I heard this being discussed on Democracy Now this morning. Protesters identifying as Black Block, and wearing masks, are allowing for federal agents to dress in black and wear masks to provoke violence and discredit the occupy movement. The best way to be sure the occupy movement gains no traction, is to make it seem like it is violent and pro-anarchy...whatever the heel that means. Stop wearing masks folks...they already know who we are...do we know who they are?

Anyhow, then there was this today...Anarchists in Cleveland plot to blow a bridge...but have been under FBI control the whole time.
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The problem with anonymous political or anti-political movements, is that the government can seize control of the group in a heart beat. These dudes were controled by an FBI agent the whole time. Derrrrrr

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... ridge?lite

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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:33 pm 
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also, blowing a bridge in the middle of nowhere and damaging a national park is lame as shit bro.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:59 pm 
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nark, you have the best name of that crew, and perfect for this thread

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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:10 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:08 pm 
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some people are just idiots

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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:09 pm 
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imagine if that shit wouldve went down.

i wonder their motivation for this particular spot...a bridge? odd.

militancy in occupy off shoot collectives strengthening this summer?

expect violent reactions to domestic occupy encampments. legislation.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:21 pm 
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chris hedges really put his foot in his mouth when he started talking that shit. there are undercovers everywhere, im more worried about people i trust snitching on our actions and getting people in trouble (which has happened a lot). it is the nature of an open movement, its wide open to infiltration, they dont need to wear masks.

here is a rebuttal to hedges, by david graeber... one of the original organizers of OWS and the dude who thought up the 99% meme.
http://www.revolutionbythebook.akpress. ... is-hedges/


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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
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it's "strategy" the "does it" for hedges as he said that he is not anarchist...

so i guess anarchists have no strategy...at least thats the way i took what he said on democracy now..

gotta love graeber...

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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
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obsession with transparency is just another way to throw those without privilege under the bus

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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:53 pm 
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Not OCCUPY related but a similar story-



Trio planned attacks on Obama HQ, Rahm's home: Prosecutors

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CHICAGO (FOX Chicago News) -
Prosecutors allege that three men were plotting to attack President Obama's campaign headquarters, Mayor Emanuel home and several Chicago police stations with Molotov cocktails.

The defense said that's not true and all of this is a set up by Chicago police.


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Each man has been charged with material to support terrorism, conspiracy to commit terrorism and possession of explosives - a first for the state.

The defense alleges their clients aren't the ones to blame. They allege there were undercover cops setting them up by introducing them to Molotov cocktails.

"From our information the so called incendiary devices, and the plans to attack police stations, attack the mayors office, is all coming from the mind of the police informants," defense attorney Michael Deutsch said, "and are not coming from our clients who are non violent protesters, they are not anarchists they don't belong to a Black Bloc organization."

Chicago Police and the state's attorney also said these men are self-proclaimed anarchists and do belong to the Black Bloc.


http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/18562 ... error-plot


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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 11:19 am 
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Misfits news coverage is spot on...
"suspect 3 said he had asked his mommy if he could go out and kill tonight. To which she replied 'I ain't no god damned son of a bitch, you better think about it my little angel fuck.' The suspect commented further that he was frustrated with the Obama administration's policy on Brains for dinner, Brains for lunch, Brains for breakfast , Brains for brunch, Brains at every single meal. The suspect followed up his remarks with the question, 'why can't we have some guts?' It is believed that the suspect was further motivated by the fear that 'When new creatures rape your face, hybrids open up the door.' In hybrid moments, give him a moment. Reporting live from the dungeons of Danzig at the Horror Hotel, we are 138."

Cops are crafty. Why would you need to outsource molatov cocktails?

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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:38 am 
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bigsole wrote:
chris hedges really put his foot in his mouth when he started talking that shit. there are undercovers everywhere, im more worried about people i trust snitching on our actions and getting people in trouble (which has happened a lot). it is the nature of an open movement, its wide open to infiltration, they dont need to wear masks.



I was finna get angry but I am glad you understand that. It is a incredibly weak argument to say that violent/property damage tactics directly result in greater repression...a threatened power structure directly results in greater repression... any tactic that is actually effective or threatening is going to be met with greater repression. We should understand that and be prepared for them to hit back hard. Chris Hedges is a fuckin liberal tool.

As always, FUCK SNITCHES...they're fuckin everywhere...

Those who choose to not use violence and anonymity should at least support those who do...not fucking bash them...


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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:31 am 
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releaseyet wrote:

so i guess anarchists have no strategy..

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Also ima take this as sarcasm...


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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:50 am 
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Those who choose to not use violence and anonymity should at least support those who do...not fucking bash them...


No

That's the same backward-ass logic that people try to sell by saying it's okay to not support the wars (and every other one of America's foreign military excursions), but you still have to approach every soldier you see and tell them how much their actions make them heroes. Fuck that.

If I disagree with your choice, there is no reason for me to pretend to support it. It would be a lie. It's your choice, though. Just don't act like my personal integrity is less important than getting your ego stroked.


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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:56 am 
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lemon cent wrote:
apples&onions wrote:
Those who choose to not use violence and anonymity should at least support those who do...not fucking bash them...


No

That's the same backward-ass logic that people try to sell by saying it's okay to not support the wars (and every other one of America's foreign military excursions), but you still have to approach every soldier you see and tell them how much their actions make them heroes. Fuck that.

If I disagree with your choice, there is no reason for me to pretend to support it. It would be a lie. It's your choice, though. Just don't act like my personal integrity is less important than getting your ego stroked.


No, that is some liberal ass bougie bullshit...I think I like it here so until I know that this place won't kick me out just for expressing my views I don't wanna get into it. I AM NOT HERE TO SPAM!!! I've already been kicked off 2 message boards just for expressing anti civilization/green anarchist and non technological neutrality views... But seriously why not support those that use different tactics then your self???

On rereading your post I have come to the conclusion that you have totally missed my point... I was talking about tactics of resistance...we're fighting the same enemy just with different means, the totality needs to be resisted in ALL aspects... I am honestly completely unsure what you are talking about...I am NOT AT ALL talking about justifying the actions of soldiers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWO4tVZPybQ Of course veterans have the highest suicide rates and very inadequate access to much needed services, so I 'm gonna support the veterans against the war.

What you said literally has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT I SAID though...


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 Post subject: Re: Black Block = Safe method of Co-Intel for Feds (OCCUPY)
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:52 am 
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one of the first things that occupy denver did was to endorse the st. paul's principles... which called for a "diversity of tactics"
we have a very radical legal team which was basically trained and set up by our local ABC chapter (anarchist black cross), so if you were arrested for anything that your typical non violent* liberal doesn't feel comfortable with; occupy denver supports you... you get bailed out and NLG legal support... innocent until proven guilty...

if you really wanna talk about why non violent strategies will probably not work long term i suggest watching this video, i've used it to advance discussion alot with folks who are strict pacifists, usually to positive effect but almost always to greater respect and understanding of more radical elements.... .



i always use the argument that civil rights movement would not have adanced as well were it not for the militant black nationalist movement... a peace movement combined with a more radical offshoot to me seems the most likely chance of success...

people need time to let new ideas/paradigms sink in... the key to observing a "diversity of tactics" is to respect the time and space of everyone involved, so people who want to be involved in radical activity can and those who don't want to aren't put in arrestible situations under the cover of those who don't give a fuck. we always separate direct actions from marches, civil disobedience with rallies, etc.

after a few of these run in with the states you begin to applaud any form of resistance beyond just laying down and saying "arrest me."

* non violent as described as ANYTHING other than laying down and saying "arrest me im protesting"


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