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 Post subject: Insanity 101
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 12:01 am 
Is Albert Einstein's argument a fact or just one man's opinion when in truth of today's world?
"Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results"

Is there more than one definition..

Is there books, movies, videos, pictures, ideas etc..that can help us unlock the door of....whatever is out there,
I would like to learn.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity

"The worst thing to call somebody is crazy, it's dismissive. i don't understand this person, so they're crazy. that's bullshit.
because people are not crazy, they're strong people. maybe the environment..is a little sick." - dave chappelle

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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:49 pm 
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I've heard that definiton thrown around alot, "... and expecting different results."

I always thought it an interestin quote but not an accurate representation of the state of mind.
I mean optimists do that shit all day long.


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:02 pm 
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i'm with chapelle. take some time out of your day and find out.


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:55 am 
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am i crazy for not being able to get over the usage of 'their' in that quote?

i'm sorry..


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:33 am 
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Insanity is not a psychological term, it is a legal term. Psychologists do not use the term "insane" ever, unless in the context of the court system as expert witnesses.

As for "doing the same thing...different results." That was more of a metaphor from a scientists perspective employing the scientific test/retest method of data collection, not a practical way to determine one's mental health.

To point you toward a book that would answer, precisely the question asked in this thread, see: "the politics of experience" by R.D. Laing

Hope this helps...you crazy nut

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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:06 pm 
qp is not crazy, he would be crazy not to point that out. i think the things that we fear end it madness, and my imagination scares the hell out of me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
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Yah1 wrote:
my imagination scares the hell out of me.


What's goin on bro.


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
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What is there to be so afraid of? This is the question, I guess.

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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
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i spelled apocalypse wrong in my other thread.
so whatever i'm imperfect too


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:01 pm 
i'm good slunch, thanks man. i have an overactive imagination, it's usually most active in spring and writing is my outlet. right now i'm working on third album, in thinking mode for album four. i was always a curious person, even when i was a kid. asking questions, wanting to know the why and how's. over the years i've learn to narrow my thoughts down by season. thanks guys!


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 12:17 am 
OBLIO wrote:
What is there to be so afraid of? This is the question, I guess.

fear of the unknown, caring what people think, death, taking risks and spilling water on your laptop


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:43 pm 
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that's good how oblio explained how insanity is just a legal term. ive been in a few awkward conversations with people and found myself almost defending really bad behaviour because i feel that with proper understanding comes compassion and the realization that evil does not really exist but certain people have been led and also have let themselves be led down certain paths or into certain situations that cause them to do some bizarre shit. i feel this is primarily the fault of the society and how its values and neurosis is layed down on people. our instinct is to be free but our society tries to lead us down a certain path and a lot of times any resistance to that causes mental issues.

whats to be scared of is a great question. to me i think that what stems from a lot of anxieties and things of that nature is this need for control that we seem to have. people furiously climb the ladder and check all the boxes on the way but when they get to the top, they are surprised that nothings changed and this actually brings on more anxieties. this is not all encompassing obviously because some people have had intense experiences that they just cant break free from. im not sure how this has come about. maybe its a little glitch in our evolution that will serve a certain purpose or maybe demons are real or maybe this whole death thing has got us by the balls but definitely why a lot of people find it hard to let go is because they are too scared to really look deep into themselves and discover why they are the way they are. for some this is really hard to do because they have a super traumatic experience to deal with while others find that things like psychedelics and meditation help this process by dissolving certain barriers. there's definitely a whole lot of sickness to be cured in this world.


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 5:00 pm 
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I at one point thought being unstable and crazy was a good method for extracting some sort of creative truth from myself. After a year of almost completely destroying my life I now know that is not true at all.


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Yup, that's a bad way of going about things. Also, the work you do under these circumstances is probably shit.


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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 5:34 pm 
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I would say that there is very little in life, maybe nothing at all, that is objectively known. I personally believe that there is nothing that you can know objectively. So "fear of the unknown" is a conundrum isn't it? We really don't know anything, but what is there to be so afraid of then?

What do you know, that I know the same? Think in terms of Heidegger's presentification. The "you" (or Dasein) is not really free of retention and imagination when presently being, yet you are freely choose to make a decision in the NOW and HERE while thinking about everything that you do know from then and everything you imagine to result or become. Past, present and future all in one moment as Dasein, or human consciousness.

You have never made a decision or action without your retention of past behavior/experience playing a role in the navigable direction of the course you have set for the future...or imagination of self. Right NOW is known and unknown married as one.

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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
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endophysics

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damn it, anything but heidegger, unless its "aconceptual"

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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
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I thought peeps were going to be talking about the workout up in here.

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 Post subject: Re: The Insanity Thread
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:15 pm 
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releaseyet wrote:
endophysics

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damn it, anything but heidegger, unless its "aconceptual"



hahaha one of those guys, eh?

Not a huge fan myself, but Heidegger is one of the focal points of my training. Most people can't dig on him, and even he didn't consider himself an existentialist, nor did Kiergegaard. However, he is still prominent in Psychology.

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